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Town
of Clay
Approved
Planning Board Minutes
May 13, 2009
The regular meeting of the Planning Board Town of Clay, County of Onondaga was held at the Town Hall located at 4401 State Route 31, Clay New York on the 13th day of May 2009. The meeting was called to order by Deputy Chairman Dougherty at 7:30 P.M. and upon roll being called, the following were:
PRESENT: John Dougherty Deputy Chairman
Karen Guinup Member
Hal Henty Member
Allen Kovac Member
James Sharpe Member
Russ Mitchell Member
Ron DeTota C&S Engineers
David Balcer Town Planner
Scott Chatfield Planning Board Attorney
Gloria Wetmore Planning Board Secretary
ABSENT: Walter Lepkowski Chairman
Minutes of Previous Meeting
A motion was made by Allen Kovac, seconded by James Sharpe to approve the minutes of the previous meeting.
Motion Passed 6-0
Public Hearings:
2008-5-5 Gary Spring (3), Special Permit 7733 Henry Clay Blvd.
Gary Spring the applicant and Aaron Falkenmeyer of TDK Engineering were present,
Mr. Falkenmeyer gave a brief explanation of the plan. Mr. Spring is proposing a U-Haul rental business located at 7733 Henry Clay Blvd. The hours of operation would be 9am- 5:30pm Monday thru Friday, 9am-4pm Saturday and 10am-2pm on Sunday. Most of the
rentals would be done on-line, over the phone or on a walk in basis. Trucks would be picked up and dropped off at this location.
Hal Henty asked if retail was allowed in this I-1 zone, Mr. Spring said this would not be retail, just rental agreements. Mr. Henty asked if money would change hands as a result of the rentals. Mr. Spring said credit cards, maybe checks.
Karen Guinup went down the list of appropriate uses in an I-1 zone, retail is not one of them.
John Dougherty asked for the size of the vehicles that would be stored and rented from this facility, Mr. Spring said they would not exceed 17 foot long, and would have only 4 to 7 trucks on the premises at any one time.
Scott Chatfield explained, in the I-1 zone, outside storage is permissible only if it is an accessory, ie incidental & subordinate to the principle use. Unless the applicant is going to rent the U-Hauls to customers of the self storage, then a U-Haul business is a retail use prohibited by the code.
The outside storage of customer owned U-Hauls is probably ok if a Special Permit is granted, because the storage of a vehicles could be incidental & subordinate to the storage of other goods in a mini-storage facility.
Russ Mitchell spoke about previous complaints dating back to 2006, a complaint was filed in October of 2007 due to the dead trees that were going to be replaced in the spring of 2008. April 2008 another complaint was filed concerning dead trees and outside storage of vehicles, which is not allowed in the I-1 zone.
May 2009, The U-Haul service has been in operation for approximatly 1 year without permission.
Mr. Spring explained He had replaced the dead trees more than once with white pines however they continued to die. Mr. Spring went to the planning department for permission to plant blue spruce instead of white pines because they are hardier.
KarenGuinup asked how many trees were on the original plan, 41 trees were on the site plan, 23 were planted some died and now there are 32 trees in place. Karen Guinup said she would like to all 41 trees in place. Mr. Spring said the trees have been special ordered and he will get them in the ground as soon as possible.
Janet Rathburn said the applicant didnt apply for the special permit until she had complained to the planning department.
Deputy Chairman Dougherty closed the public hearing.
A motion was made by Hal Henty seconded by Karen Guinup to deny the Special Permit.
Motion Passed 6-0
2009-4-2 Storage Mobility of Syracuse, LLC (3), Special Permit 4490 Steelway Blvd.
Hal Romans of Iannuzi and Romans LLC was present for the applicant. Mr. Romans gave a brief over view of the plan. The building is a storage facility for PODS, it is a one person operation. The applicant is asking for a Special Permit for an outside storage area. The PODS would be stored on a black top area behind the building, The PODS would be stored 4 high this would be about 32 feet high and take up approximately 50 feet of pavement.
Russ Mitchell asked Mr. Romans if they were planning on putting in a concrete slab. Mr. Romans said no, the asphalt is designed to withstand tractor trailers, the PODS are empty and weigh
2000 lbs.
Ed ODonnell of PODS spoke, he said they do not plan on storing the PODS any more then 3 high. David Balcer read the fire marshals report, all the violations were corrected.
Access to the building is no problem in reguard to the fire code.
Deputy Chairman Dougherty closed the hearing.
A motion was made by Karen Guinup seconded by Russ Mitchell to adopt a resolution using standard form #10, that the SEQR Determination for Storage Mobility of Syracuse, LLC, that this be declared a negative declaration as there appears to be no environmental impact which can not be mitigated and does not involve any other permit granting agencies including the Federal Government.
Motion Passed 6-0
A motion was made by Karen Guinup seconded by Hal Henty to adopt a resolution using standard form # 20 granting a Special Permit Recommendation for accessory exterior activity permitted use to Storage Mobility of Syracuse LLC., PB case #2009-4-2, Located at 4490 Steelway Boulevard, based on a map by Iannuzi and Romans LLC., dated 3/13/2009 file # 3369.001.
Motion Passed 6-0
Old Business: Adjourned Hearings
2007-12-3 Group One Development, LLC (3) Site Plan Corner of Route 31 & Henry Clay Blvd. (Adjourned from 14 previous meetings)
A motion was made by Hal Henty seconded by James Sharpe to adjourn this Public Hearing to July 8, 2009.
Motion Passed 6-0
2008-12-5 Walrus LLC, Special Permit Advisory Referral (Gasoline Service Station) corner of Henry Clay Blvd. & NYS Route 31 (Nice N Easy) (Adjourned from 4 previous meetings)
2008-12-6 Walrus LLC, Special Permit Advisory Referral- Drive-thru service (for bank teller) corner of Henry Clay Blvd. & NYS Route 31 (Adjourned from 4 previous meetings)
2008-12-7 Walrus LLC (3), Site Plan corner of Henry Clay Blvd. & NYS Route 31 (Nice N Easy) (Adjourned from 5 previous meetings)
Deputy Chairman Dougherty opened all three public hearings.
Robert Ventre Attorney for the applicant spoke to the Board for a recommendation to the Town Board for site plan approval for the Nice N Easy.
Jim Hagan presented two new letters received from the County and State.
Hal Henty said he is still against the left turn onto NY State Route 31 being the speed limit is 55 mph. Mr. Henty stated that he does not have a problem with the rt in rt out.
Mr. Ventre explained that the left turn on to State Rt. 31 has no bearing on the recommendation to the Town Board for the special permits.
Karen Guinup asked Ron DeTota if he was satisfied with the States recommendation.
Ron replied he had not been directed by the Town to review it, therefore he can not comment on that at this time.
Scott Chatfeild asked Mr. Hagan if the Site Plan dated 5-7-2009 matched up with the State letter. Mr. Hagan said that it did.
Hal Henty asked if the State says that they like the ingress and egress does the Board have the right not to like it.
Mr. Hagan pointed out on the plan some additional evergreen plantings to shield the
residential properties. Karen Guinup asked Mr. Hagan if the additional evergreen plantings could be moved further to the south along the property line.
Deputy Chairman Dougherty closed the 2 special permit public hearings.
A motion was made by Hal Henty seconded by Karen Guinup to adopt a resolution using form
# 60 for a Special Permit to Walrus LLC., PB Case # 2008-12-5, for a gasoline service station, on the corner of Henry Clay Blvd. and NYS Route 31.
Motion Passed 6-0
A motion was made by Hal Henty seconded by James Sharpe to adopt a resolution using form #60 for a Special Permit to Walrus LLC., for ( Drive-thru Service for a bank teller) PB Case # 2008-12-6, on the corner of Henry Clay Blvd. and NYS Route 31.
Motion Passed 6-0
A motion was made by Hal Henty seconded by Karen Guinup to adjourn the Public Hearing for Case # 2008-12-7 Walrus LLC., Site Plan (Nice-N-Easy)to May 27 2009.
Motion Passed 6-0
2009-1-6 Gary Bell (3) Site Plan, 7422 Oswego Road (Adjourned from 3 previous meetings)
A motion was made by Russ Mitchell seconded by James Sharpe to adjourn this Public Hearing to June 10, 2009.
Motion Passed 6-0
Old Business: Hearings Closed
NONE
New Business: Signs
Monarch Jewelers Glenn Crossing Plaza 7421 Oswego Road
Zoned RC-1 permit #40,976
Wall sign Allowed 8% of tenant space (18 x 19 = 342sf) 27.36 s.f max. area
Proposed sign square footage (boxed) is 22.5 S.F. (blue channel letters)
A motion was made by Hal Henty seconded by Russ Mitchell to approve this sign as presented.
James Sharpe recuesed himself.
Motion Passed 5-0
4Ward Sales 4531 Route 31
Zoned RC-1 permit #40974
Wall sign Allowed 8% of wall area (905 s.f.) 724 s.f. max. area
Proposed sign is 16 s.f. (mostly black letters with some yellow)
A motion was made by Hal Henty seconded by Russ Mitchell to approve this sign as presented.
Motion Passed 6-0
Kinney Drugs 5221 W. Taft Road
Zoned HC-1 permit #40972
Freestanding sign Allowed 1/lot 32 s.f., 25 height & 25 setback
Proposed 32 s.f. 14-6 height and meets setback (location previously
Approved at Site Plan)
A motion was made by Hal Henty seconded by James Sharpe to approve the sign as presented.
Motion Passed 6-0
Jreck Subs 7875 Oswego Road (former Carvel Ice Cream store)
Zoned RC-1 permit #40970
Freestanding sign- Allowed 1/entry, 64 s.f. area 25 ht. (less than 5 acres) & 25 setback
Note: one small pole sign exists by north entrance, parcel has two entrances.
Proposed sign 48 s.f., 25 height and 28 7 setback
Building will need a number on it.
Canopy sign Allowed 25% of building area face. Wall area is 275 s.f, 25% = 68.75
s.f. allowed.
Proposed is 2-3 x 25-6 = 57.38 s.f.
A verbal approval was given to the canopy sign, but the applicant was asked to provide something to prohibit vehicles from driving between the proposed freestanding sign and the utility pole.
A motion was made by Hal Henty seconded by James Sharpe to adjourn this sign to May 27 2009.
Motion Passed 6-0
Rocklyn Plaza/Dunn Tire 3881 St. Rte. 31
Zoned RC-1 permit #40968 (Please note: applicant thought they had all approvals for site sign
with the Site Plan approval already granted by Planning Board)
Freestanding sign Allowed 1/entry 64 s.f., 25 ht. (less than 5 acres) & 25 setback.
Proposed 64 s.f., 16 height in location approve on Site Plan.
Street number is on top
Wall signs Allowed two per tenant space 8% of wall area.
Front wall sign area (26 x 28-3 = 734.5 s.f.) 8% = 58.76 s.f.
Proposed sign (boxed) is 45.11 s.f.
Rear wall sign area (90 x 21 = 1890 s.f.) 8% = 151.2 s.f.
Proposed sign (boxed) 35 x 35 = 102.2 s.f.
A motion was made by Allen Kovac seconded by James Sharpe to approve this sign as presented.
Motion Passed 6-0
Fuccillo Kia of Clay (former Saturn Dealership) 3885 Rte 31
Zoned RC-1 (less than 5 acres) permit #40,815
Wall signage Allowed 8% of wall space & 2 total signs, which is 167.04 s.f .(Wall area is 24h x 87w = 2.088sf). Signs total are 111.1 s.f.
Kia sign is 58.55sf and the Fuccillo sign is 38.84sf = 97.39s.f. total
Freestanding sign Allowed 1/entry, 25 max. height & 64sf max. area
Site location is the same base of existing Saturn sign. 110 off property line
Kia (oval) is 62.39sf
Silver shaft is 117.5sf +/-
Total is 179.89sf (oval & shaft)
Private traffic sign/Directory - →Sales →Service proposed 8sf, same location as existing
Note: Building needs address on it or freestanding sign does.
A motion was made by Hal Henty seconded by Allen Kovac to approve the signs as presented.
Motion Passed 6-0
ADJOURN MEETING
A motion was made by Hal Henty seconded by James Sharpe to adjourn this meeting at 9:50 PM.
Motion Passed 6-0
Respectfully Submitted
Gloria Wetmore
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