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Town
of Clay
Approved
Planning Board Minutes
September 24, 2008
The regular meeting of the Planning Board of the Town of Clay, County of Onondaga was held at the Town Hall located at 4401 Route 31, Clay, New York on the 24th day of September, 2008. The meeting was called to order by Chairman Lepkowski at 7:30 PM and upon roll being called, the following were:
PRESENT: Walter Lepkowski Chairman
Bruce Johnson Deputy Chairman
James Sharpe Member
Karen Guinup Member
Allen Kovac Member
John Dougherty Member
Hal Henty Member
Scott Chatfield Planning Board Attorney
Ron DeTota C&S Engineers
David Balcer Town Planner
Mark Territo Commissioner of Planning and
Development
Jill Hageman-Clark Planning Board Secretary
Minutes of Previous Meeting
A motion was made by Allen Kovac, seconded by John Dougherty to approve the minutes of the previous meeting.
Public Hearings:
2007-4-4 John E. Davis/Davis Ventures LLC, Zone Change Recommendation RA-100 to HC-1, 5064, 5154 & 5170 State Route 31 (Adjourned from 11 previous meetings)
A motion was made by Allen Kovac, seconded by Karen Guinup to adjourn the Public Hearing to October 22, 2008.
Motion Passed 7-0
2007-4-6 Richard J. Alt & Donald W. Alt, Zone Change Recommendation RA-100 to HC-1, 5236 & Vacant Land, State Route 31 (Adjourned from 11 previous meetings)
A motion was made by Allen Kovac, seconded by Karen Guinup to adjourn the Public Hearing to October 22, 2008.
Motion Passed 7-0
2007-10-12 Clay Park, LLC, Zone Change Recommendation, RA-100 to HC-1 & R-Apt – NYS Route 31 & Caughdenoy Road (Adjourned from 6 previous meetings)
A motion was made by Allen Kovac, seconded by Karen Guinup to adjourn the Public Hearing to October 22, 2008.
Motion Passed 7-0
2008-1-1 Rocklyn Cos. (3) Site Plan – 3883 State Route 31 (Adjourned from 4 previous meetings)
Peter Crissey; architect, Art Kanerviko, Rory Carlesco; lighting consultant, Paul Curtin; attorney for the applicant and Jim Napoleon Traffic Consultant were present for the applicant.
Mr. Kanerviko began by stating that they had addressed all of the concerns that the Board had expressed at the previous meeting, adding that he had three (3) different curb cut formats (on to NYS Route 31) to present. He stated that the third plan offered the curb cut with a raised island with trees in the center, as the Chairman had requested.
There was a discussion about the number of parking spaces. The applicant stated that the requirement is 61 spaces and the Site Plan shows 77-78 actual. There was a long discussion about the true number of required parking spots.
The plan now has additional landscaping, signage including the No Left Turn and Do Not Enter signs as well as the street address.
Mr. Napoleon interjected that he was not in favor of the third plan, as it could pose a hazardous situation if a driver were to proceed the wrong way in the driveway into oncoming traffic.
He stated that the sloping curve would allow better access for large tractor-trailers and emergency vehicles.
The discussion again turned to the number of parking spaces and the type of business that will go into the vacant spot. Mr. Johnson explained to the applicant that there would not be enough parking if a restaurant were to move into the empty retail space. He added that the plan shows a grease trap indicating that the applicant may be planning to introduce a restaurant into the parcel. The applicant assured the board that at this time there are no plans for a restaurant type of business at that location, adding that they would appear before the Board if that were the future plan. The Planning Board reiterated that they would not like to see that type of business in this spot. Ms. Guinup added that this parcel is zoned retail and that they would need to obtain a Site Plan approval and probably a Variance if they were to add a restaurant use on this site.
The Chairman stated that he would like additional signage to better direct motorists. He suggested a Keep Right sign and a Do Not Enter sign on the nose of the island. Again the signs were discussed at great length.
Mr. Johnson voiced his desire for more landscaping. Mr. DeTota inquired about the drainage around the curb and suggested granite as it will be more durable than concrete.
The applicant said that they will remove the retaining wall, located along the northerly an east property line from the plan. The Storm Water Pollution Plan meets Mr. DeTota’s approval; he further stated that he was O.K. with the plan, and that any minor details can be handled under “all legal and engineering approvals”.
The deliberation reverted to the determination as to which plan would be the best choice. Mr. Johnson asked Mr. Napoleon to reiterate his reasons for preferring plan B. Mr. Napoleon conveyed that his fear would be that someone may become trapped by and the raised median curb in plan C and be hit by an oncoming vehicle.
The Chairman asked for a roll call vote for the desired plan and it went as follows:
Plan B
Allen Kovac, Hal Henty and Bruce Johnson
Plan C
James Sharpe, John Dougherty, Walter Lepkowski and Karen Guinup
Mr. Carlesco presented the lighting plan adding that they meet the basic requirements.
The applicant implored the Board to approve the Site Plan at this time. Mr. Chatfield suggested that the Board approve with conditions if they were so inclined.
A motion was made by Allen Kovac, seconded by John Dougherty using standard form #10 that the Site Plan proposed by Rocklyn Cos., at 3883 State Route 31 be declared a negative declaration as there appears to be no traffic, drainage or environmental impact which could not be mitigated and does not involve any other agencies including the Federal Government.
Motion Passed 7-0
A motion was made by Allen Kovac, seconded by John Dougherty using standard form # 20 granting Site Plan approval to Rocklyn Cos. For the Rocklyn Plaza based on a map by The Crissey Architectural Group, dated 9/24/2008 page #’s G-1C, G-2, G-4, A-1, A-3, I-12 and I-5 lighting plan overall property plan dated 9/24/2008; subject to the following conditions:
¹ Remove north and east sections of retaining wall.
¹ Add trees along the easterly boundaries to equal 15’ distances.
¹ Remove Plan Sheets G1-A and G1-B
¹ Add Keep Right sign to the north end of the island.
¹ Add Do Not Enter sign to the east side of the ingress, 15’ back from the north tip of the island.
¹ Add No Left Turn sign to the south end of the island facing north.
¹ Add No Left Turn sign at the south end of the median facing east.
¹ Sloping curb to be constructed of granite as discussed with Mr. DeTota.
¹ Add Universal Keep Right sign.
¹ Change plan to reflect hydrant and light pole changes.
¹ Obtain State Department of Transportation letter approving design of access ingress and egress of the final plan.
¹ The applicant shall not establish a restaurant use on subject property with out additional Site Plan approval.
¹ All Legal and Engineering approvals.
Motion Passed 5-2
Bruce Johnson and Hal Henty voted disapproval, both citing that they preferred Site Plan sheet G-1-B.
2008-6-1 Clay South Development Co., LLC (3), Amended Site Plan – South side NYS Route 31 (Lowe’s outparcel) (Adjourned from 2 previous meetings)
A motion was made by Allen Kovac, seconded by James Sharpe to adjourn the Public Hearing to
October 8, 2008 November 12, 2008.
Motion Passed 7-0
2008-7-3 West Taft Road Associates (3), Preliminary Plat – 4820 West Taft Road (Adjourned from 1 previous meeting)
A motion was made by Karen Guinup, seconded by Bruce Johnson to adjourn the Public Hearing to
November 12, 2008
October 8, 2008.
Motion Passed 7-0
Old Business:
05-1-4 Charles L. Hafner, Final Plat – 7265 Buckley Road (Chuck Hafner’s Garden Center) (Adjourned from 2 previous meetings)
Hal Romans was present for the applicant.
Mr. Romans conveyed the applicants desire to combine eleven (11) tax parcels into this 1 lot subdivision consisting of 20.971 acres of RA-100 and RC-1 zoned land. An OCWA easement has been added. Drainage easements have already been approved. The Preliminary Plan was approved prior to the adaptation of the new code however this Final Plat is within the jurisdiction of the new code.
A motion was made by Karen Guinup, seconded by Bruce Johnson using standard form #40 granting Final Plat Approval to Charles L. Hafner for the property located at 7265 Buckley Road, based on a map by Ianuzi and Romans file # 1454.003; dated 1/14/2005 revised 9/10/2008, subject to all Legal and Engineering approvals.
Motion Passed 7-0
Old Business: Hearings Closed
NONE
New Business: Signs
Permit # 40557; Integrated Marketing, 4682 Crossroads Park Drive
The applicant is proposing two (2) signs, a 30 square foot wall sign and a 32 square foot site sign. The site sign does not comply with the sign code.
A motion was made by Hal Henty, seconded by Jim Sharpe to approve the wall sign only.
Motion Passed 7-0
DISSCUSSION
The board discussed the possibility of adding a R-60 zoning district to the current code. The R-60 would be used primarily for the northern districts of the town and provide a compromise between the current R-40 and RA-100 zones. Mr DeTota added that the developers want the R-60 so that they can construct sellable lots due to the high cost of the infrastructure to serve the RA-100 lots.
The consensus was that the R-40 should not be eliminated if the R-60 is to be added. Mr. Johnson suggested that they each read the Northern Land Use Study regarding this.
In any case the R-40 should remain.
ADJOURN MEETING
A motion was made by John Dougherty, seconded by Bruce Johnson to adjourn.
Motion Passed 7-0
Meeting Adjourned at 11:14 PM.
Respectfully Submitted,
Jill Hageman-Clark
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