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Town
of Clay
Approved
Planning Board Minutes
October 22, 2008
The regular meeting of the Planning Board of the Town of Clay, County of Onondaga was held at the Town Hall located at 4401 Route 31, Clay, New York on the 22nd day of October, 2008. The meeting was called to order by Chairman Lepkowski at 7:30 PM and upon roll being called, the following were:
PRESENT: Walter Lepkowski Chairman
Bruce Johnson Deputy Chairman
Karen Guinup Member
James Sharpe Member
Hal Henty Member
Allen Kovac Member
Scott Chatfield Planning Board Attorney
Ron DeTota C&S Engineers
David Balcer Town Planner
Mark Territo Commissioner of Planning and
Development
Jill
Hageman-Clark Planning Board Secretary
ABSENT: John Dougherty Member
Minutes of Previous Meeting
A motion was made by James Sharpe, seconded by Allen Kovac to approve the minutes of the previous meeting.
Motion Passed 7-0
Public Hearings:
2008-10-1 Clay Park, LLC, Zone Change Recommendation – RA-100 to HC-1 and R-TH, NYS Route No. 31 & Caughdenoy Road (southwest corner)
Hal Romans and John Russo were present for the applicant.
The applicant is requesting a Zone Change for the property located at the southwest corner of Route 31 and Caughdenoy Road. The applicant stated that a traffic study had been completed by Clough Harbour. Mr. Romans stated that the applicant is withdrawing the previous application for this property, requesting a zone change from RA-100 to HC-1 & R-Apt as indicated in case 2007-10-12, at the request of this Board. The traffic study was conducted based upon the maximum allowable retail commercial and residential build out. The study shows 104 townhouse units which the applicant insists is not indicative of the final plan., due to the fact that easements and stormwater drainage still need to be taken into consideration.
Mr. Russo stated that the New York State Department of Transportation does not want to delve into mitigation issues during the zone change phase of this application, however they finally submitted a study that combines the two studies for this area, outlining the changes that they would like to see. The Chairman asked if the Planning Board had received copies of the traffic study. Mr. Territo said that they did for the Alt/Davis application; he did not think they had for this case, but would research it further. There was a lengthy discussion about the traffic study. The applicant is aware that if mitigation is required during the Site Plan approval process, then an amended Site Plan would be necessary.
Chairman Lepkowski stated that in the past the State has outline the their recommendations during the Zone Change process. There was more discussion about traffic lights and the proposed intersection where Lawton Road will extend onto New York State Route 31. Mr. Johnson said that he is in favor of the Zone Change but cautioned that the developer may be responsible for mitigation.
Mr. Russo asked how the Board perceives this. Mr. Kovac and Mr. Johnson said that they were o.k. with this. Mr. Henty agreed. The Chairman asked when the applicant would like to come back, adding that he would like the opportunity to review the study that had been performed for this project combined with the Alt-Davis project. The applicant said that they would submit the traffic study to the Commissioner the next morning. The Commissioner said that he would electronically send this to all of the members of the board. Mr. Russo said that he would like to appear at the next meeting.
A motion was made by Hal Henty, seconded by James Sharpe to adjourn to November 11, 2008.
Motion Passed 6-0
A motion was made by Hal Henty, seconded by James Sharpe to also adjourn Case # 2007-4-4 and Case # 2007-4-6 to November 11, 2008.
Motion Passed 6-0
Old Business: Adjourned Hearings
2007-4-4 John E. Davis/Davis Ventures LLC, Zone Change Recommendation RA-100 to HC-1, 5064, 5154 & 5170 State Route 31 (Adjourned from 12 previous meetings)
2007-4-6 Richard J. Alt & Donald W. Alt, Zone Change Recommendation RA-100 to HC-1, 5236 & Vacant Land, State Route 31 (Adjourned from 12 previous meetings)
2007-10-12 Clay Park, LLC, Zone Change Recommendation, RA-100 to HC-1 & R-Apt – NYS Route 31 & Caughdenoy Road (Adjourned from 7 previous meetings)
The applicant withdrew this application to be replaced by application 2008-10-1.
2008-2-2 Cannon Pools (3) – Site Plan , 5210 West Taft Road (Adjourned from 8 previous meetings)
The applicant has addressed all of the concerns this Board presented.
A Motion was made by Karen Guinup, seconded by Hal Henty to adopt a resolution using standard form # 10, that the Site Plan proposed by the Cannon Pools be declared a negative declaration as there appears to be no environmental impact which could not be mitigated and does not involve any other agencies including the Federal Government.
Motion Passed 6-0
A motion was made by Karen Guinup, seconded by Hal Henty to adopt a resolution using a standard form #20 granting Site Plan approval to Cannon Pools, for the property located at 5210 W. Taft Road; based on a map by Crissey Architectural firm, dated 1/10/1986; last revised on 09/09/2008 sheet no. G-1, based on the following conditions:
1. All Legal and Engineering Approvals.
Motion Passed 6-0
2008-7-3 West Taft Road Associates (3), Preliminary Plat – 4820 West Taft Road (Adjourned from 3 previous meetings)
No one was present for the applicant.
A motion was made by Bruce Johnson, seconded by Allen Kovac to adjourn this Public Hearing to November 12, 2008.
Motion Passed 6-0
2008-8-5 HDL Property LLC (3) Site Plan, 7256 Buckley Road (Walgreens) (Adjourned from 1 previous meeting)
Dave Colgrove, from Harmony Design Group, was present for the applicant.
Mr. Colgrove began by handing out new designs for this application. He explained that since the response for the previous meeting was unfavorable he had modified his plans substantially. He is proposing a 45-degree gabled tower roof. In addition there will be towers on the sides with the canopy extending over. There will be more brick to give the warm feeling of a neighborhood shop. The Chairman asked if the mechanicals will be concealed and Mr. Colgrove responded that they will. The plan also showed an area for the dumpsters. The Chairman asked about the dumpsters, because in the former application the applicant had stated that the trash would be confined inside the building. The applicant said that it would be condensed inside of the compactor but the bags will be placed in the compactor through a chute in the rear wall of the building.
There was a discussion about using brick to break up the large desolate back and side of the building. Mr. Johnson voiced his concerns with the vast east wall and would like to see it broken up.
There was a discussion about the sidewalks and the landscaping. The applicant said that the sidewalks will be 9-9.5 feet wide to accommodate some landscaping. Mr. Henty reminded that the Board had suggested hanging baskets or some type of decorative landscaping. Russ Mitchell suggested the type of landscaping that is used by the Key Bank in the Village of Liverpool. This includes trees with grates over in the sidewalk. The Chairman suggested perhaps small trees at the rear of the building to break it up. He further stated that it looks as if the applicant is on the right track. and would like to see the lighting plan. Mr. Romans suggested that the applicant may need to obtain a variance for the sign, the was a long discussion about the mortar and pestle in the sign and if that was a part of the sign. Mr. Johnson said that his interpretation was that it would not be considered part of the sign. the applicant asked about electronic messaging signs. He was told that the Town does not accept them under any circumstances. The applicant was also informed that an address must be on any freestanding signs. It was identified that the proposed weight of the building was in excess of the limitation set forth in the NC-1 zone, and if the building is to be constructed as shown, a height variance would be required.
Mr. Kovac thanked the applicant for the improvements that they have made. The Chairman asked the applicant when he would like to return. He said the next meeting.
A motion was made by Hal Henty, seconded by Karen Guinup to adjourn this Public Hearing to November 12, 2008.
The Chairman suggested that the applicant remember to add the compactors structure to the revised Site Plan.
Motion Passed 6-0
Old Business: Hearings Closed
NONE
New Business: Signs
Irby- Permit # 40609; Located at 4583 Buckley Road
The applicant wishes to replace an existing sign. The sign is within code with the exception of the street address ( that will need to be added).
A motion was made by James Sharpe, seconded by Allen Kovac to approve the sign for Irby located at 4583 Buckley Road , subject to the following conditions:
1. That the applicant adds the street address to the presented sign.
Motion Passed 6-0
Heritage Commons – Permit # 40621;
The sign presented is within the code.
A motion was made by Hal Romans, seconded by Bruce Johnson to approve the sign presented by Heritage Commons as presented.
Motion Passed 6-0
Jehovah’s Witness – Permit # 40463
The sign presented meets the code with the exception being the absence of the address being displayed.
A motion was made by Bruce Johnson, seconded by Allen Kovac to approve the sign presented by the Jehovah’s Witness with the addition of the address to the sign.
Motion Passed 6-0
Allen Road Office Park - Permit # 40,352
The applicant has already placed a sign at the Taft Road entrance to the parcel. The applicant is also seeking from the Planning Board approval for that sign in addition to a sign at the Allen Road entrance.
The discussion turned to whether or not the sign(s) would be consistent with the new sign code. The Chairman stated that the applicant should not be granted an approved sign permit because of the addition to the existing names on the sign on Taft Road. The discussion turned to whether or not this was a ‘Billboard’ sign. There was a lengthy discussion regarding the number of signs that the applicant should be granted for the two entrances. In addition it was determined that the sign must also contain the street address.
The Chairman said that he would like to see the final plat for the subdivision.
He Adjourned this sign permit to the next meeting.
NAPA Sign – Permit # 40620
The applicant submitted a new plan. In this plan the applicant has reduced the size of the pole to separate the pole from the sign so that it does not appear to be part of the actual sign. There was a discussion as to whether or not he had accomplished this. The sign is still a loud blue and yellow sign. The Board still prefers a monument sign for this business keeping it tasteful for the surrounding businesses such as the Funeral Home directly East and the Church to the South.
Mr. Henty asked if the sign is illuminated and it is. The Board wishes to Adjourn to the next meeting, to see the property and look at the other signs directly around this site.
Work Session
Woodside Developers, Inc. Woodside Runne, PDD Project Plan Discussion
The Town Board sent this back to the Planning Board. The maximum retail space has been reduced so that there will not be any ‘Big Box’ retail. Mr. Romans said the Commercial buildings are conceptual at this time. The Board suggested that the applicant return with a project plan. Mr. Bragman said that he will make sure that the changes to the commercial development are reflected on the plan. Mr. Henty said that he is concerned with the quality of the buildings. Mr. Romans assured him that the buildings would be compatible and that both builders will put out quality work. He added that there will be a summitry between the residential and the commercial and that it will have a village feel like the neighboring Walgreen’s store.
Mr. Bragman said that the project will be constructed in phases but he would like to get the PDD in place. He stated that he will return with architectural plans.
The applicant will return to the next meeting.
Adjourn Meeting
A motion was made Karen Guinup, seconded by Bruce Johnson to adjourn.
Motion Passed 6-0
Meeting adjourned at 10:55 PM.
Respectfully Submitted,
Jill Hageman-Clark
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