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Town
of Clay
Approved
Planning Board Minutes
July 11, 2007
The regular meeting of the Planning Board of the Town of Clay, County of Onondaga was held at
the Town Hall located at 4401 Route 31, Clay, New York on the 11th day of July, 2007. The
meeting was called to order by Chairman Lepkowski at 7:30 PM and upon roll being called, the
following were:
PRESENT: Walter Lepkowski Chairman
Bruce Johnson Deputy Chairman
Karen Guinup Member
James Sharpe Member
Allen Kovac Member
John Dougherty Member
Hal Henty Member
Scott Chatfield Planning Board Attorney
Ron DeTota C&S Engineers
David Balcer Town Planner
Mark Territo Commissioner of Planning and
Development
Jill Hageman-Clark Planning Board Secretary
Approval of Minutes:
A motion was made by Allen Kovac, seconded by John Dougherty to approve the minutes of the
meeting on June 27, 2007.
Motion Passed 7-0
Public Hearings
2007-4-9 S.U.P.A. Inc. (3) Preliminary Plat. 4560 Buckley Road
Dave Uhrinec of CJ Male Associates was present for the applicant.
The applicant is proposing a subdivision of the 11 acre parcel located at 4560 Buckley Road. The
parcel would be divided into two equally sized lots. There is currently a building on what would
be Lot 1. Mr Uhrinec explained that the properties bordering this parcel are all zoned I-100.
Chairman Lepkowski asked if the applicant had received a copy of the Onondaga County
Planning Boards comments. Mr. Uhrinec stated that they had not. The Chairman continued by
pointing out that the County was concerned that there was no access to Lot B. There should be a
60' easement across Lot A. The Chairman asked why they were seeking a subdivision as
building construction on Lot B would be difficult due to the wetlands. Mr. Uhrinec stated that it
was not impossible and that he had looked into the possibility of building a building to the rear of
the property.
Mr. Henty asked about an access road across the wetlands or the possibility of crossing the
railroad spur. Mr. Chatfield said that access could be gained across the railroad spur with
consent from CSX..
There was a long discussion about the egress and ingress (through Lot A) as well as the drainage
easement.
Karen Guinip asked if the Board needed proof that the applicant has proof that he has permission
from CSX to cross the easement.
Chairman Lepkowski stated that the applicant would need to revise the Preliminary Plat
depicting a 60' ingress and egress cross easement access across Lot A to the end of the property.
In addition the applicant must show that Lot B is a buildable lot. Furthermore if the applicant receives a letter from CSX it should be brought for Mr. Chatfield’s
review.
A motion was made by Karen Guinup, seconded by James Sharpe to adjourn this Public Hearing until August 8, 2007.
Motion Passed 7-0
2007-6-7 HUB Properties c/o REIT Mgt. And Research LLC (3) , Special Permit - 8667Carling Road (Bryant and Stratton)
2007-6-8 HUB Properties c/o REIT Mgt. And Research LLC (3) , Site Plan - 8667 Carling
Road (Bryant and Stratton)
2007-6-9 HUB Properties c/o REIT Mgt. And Research LLC (3) , Site Plan - 8667 Carling
Road (Bryant and Stratton)
Jamie Sutphen - Attorney, Mark Weiss, Mark Cronin and Susan Coumoletti were present for the
applicant. The applicant requested that all three cases be heard together.
The applicant wishes to increase the size of the existing building from 2900 sq’ to 9600 sq’. They
are also reorganizing parking for the facility as well as addressing storm water issues. There was
a discussion about enclosing the dumpsters.
Mr. Johnson asked why there was additional parking in lot 2. The applicant stated that while the
minimum number of parking spaces (247) are available, they would like to provide more for the
convenience of their patrons. There was a discussion whether parking could be used for Lot 2 as
the primary use for this lot. Mr. Chatfield recommended that these two request be heard
separately.
Chairman Lepkowski asked how many students the school would serve. Ms. Coumoletti stated
that the current capacity is 500 total enrolled equaling out to250 in the AM classes and 250 in the
PM classes however with the addition the applicant is projecting the enrollment to rise to 700.
The question of lighting was raised by Ms. Guinup. The applicant stated that they would be
reorganizing the existing photometrics. The applicant stated that they could not provide a
photometric study as they do not know what the existing photometrics are. He did however state
that there would be some overlap in lighting.
Mr. Kovac asked about curbing along the driveways, adding that he liked the curbing in other
areas of the town. The applicant stated that there is no curbing along Carling Drive.
Mr. Johnson asked what the zoning is in Lot 1. The applicant responded that is RC-1. Chairman
Lepkowski stated that a school is not allowed in an RC-1. The applicant stated that he thought
that the application was for an office use. Chairman Lepkowski stated that a special permit was
not allowed for parking for Lot 2. Scott Chatfield asked if parking is a permissible use for RC-1.
A lengthy discussion took place.
Chairman Lepkowski voiced his concern over the eventual connection to Ver Plank Road
especially with regard to the safety for pedestrians. Gordon Stanberry, traffic operations engineer
for GTS, stated that the traffic study reveled that every 5-6 minutes approximately 18 cars pass
from the east and 16 from the west. The Chairman stated that he was concerned with the future
traffic as well as the speed on the road. Mr. Stanbury recommended that the speed be posted at 35
MPH if the road becomes developed. Mr. Henty suggested hat the road be posted as a school
zone at 20 MPH.
The discussion about the appropriate use for Lot 2 resumed. Mr. Chatfield stated that the decision
could be made by the commissioner of Planning and Development.
Ms. Sutphin asked for comments so that the applicant would be prepared fro the next meeting.
Mr. Chatfield said that both Site Plans could be shown on one plan but that the case numbers
would both need to be on it.
Mr. Henty asked if Laser Drive had been dedicated to the town as it had been intended. It was
decided that it had not yet been dedicated even though the town had been maintaining it.
The road will need to be dedicated and a speed limit will need to be established.
Russ Mitchell suggested that the road be striped for pedestrian safety.
Chairman Lepkowski stated that he would leave the Public Hearing open.
A motion was made by James Sharpe, seconded by John Dougherty to adjourn this Public Hearing
until August 8, 2007.
Motion Passed 7-0
2007-6-10 Ruth R. Dattler (3), Preliminary Plat -8222 Maple Road
Hal Romans was present for the applicant.
The applicant wishes to subdivide a 54.6 acre lot on the north side of Maple Road into two Lots.
The property is currently zoned RA-100. Lot 1 would be 2.95 acres and lot 2 would 52.387 acres.
Eventually Lot 1 would be sold for development.
Chairman Lepkowski stated that the Town had not received any comments from the county yet.
Ron DeTota stated that this application meets town standards.
Chairman Lepkowski stated that he would leave the Public Hearing open and that we were all set
pending the County’s comments.
A motion was made by Karen Guinup, seconded by Bruce Johnson to adjourn this Public Hearing
until August 8, 2007.
Motion Passed 7-0
Old Business: Adjourned Hearings
2005-12-2 Subdivisions Inc. (3), Preliminary Plat, east side of Morgan Road, opposite
Fairway East (Waterhouse Landing) (60 Lots) ( Adjourned from 4 previous meetings)
The Applicant called and requested an adjournment.
A motion was made by Allen Kovac, seconded by James Sharpe to adjourn this Public Hearing
until August 8, 2007.
Motion Passed 7-0
2007-4-3 Brooks —Eckerd Pharmacy (3) Site Plan, 7245 Henry Clay Blvd. (Adjourned
from 2 previous meetings)
Hal Romans was present for the applicant.
Mr. Romans stated that he has addressed the concerns of Board described at the last meeting, the
street light on Vine Street is now shown on the map, the easement is shown and there have been
modifications made to the drainage.
There was a discussion about the amount of light for safety. Additionally Mr. Henty asked about
the possibility of the owner demolishing the vacant house on Vine Street. Mr. Romans stated that
he would look into that possibility.
The Chairman said that there were still a few engineering issues that the applicant needed to
address with Ron DeTota.
A motion was made by Bruce Johnson, seconded by James Sharpe to adjourn until August 8,
2007.
Motion Passed 7-0
2007-4-5 Warner Energy, LLC (3) Special Permit, 7526 Morgan Road (Adjourned from 3
previous meetings)
No one was present for the applicant. The Chairman pointed out that the applicant is to appear
before the ZBA on Monday July 16, 2007. He asked the Board if they would like to make a
recommendation at this time or wait until the ZBA closes the case, so that the recommendation
can be made based on all of the information.
A motion was made by Bruce Johnson, seconded by Karen Guinup to wait to make a
recommendation until the ZBA has made a decision because the Board feels that this is a Utility
Substation and therefore does not fall under the jurisdiction of the Planning Board.
Motion Passed 7-0
2007–4-11 MS Consultants, Inc. (Best Buy) (3), Site Plan - Route 31part of former Chase-Pitkin Home and Garden Center (Adjourned from 1 previous meeting)
Joel Hosteller with MS Consultants Inc. was present for the applicant.
The applicant is proposing a Best Buy in part of the former Chase Pitkin Home and Garden
Center. Mr. Hosteller stated that this business would have no impact on traffic or parking in the
shopping center. There was a discussion regarding the direction of the lights and the Board would
prefer the lights to be cast down.
There was a lengthy discussion regarding the signage and what part was actually the sign. The sign
at 357 sq’ is too large. The sign should be no larger than 138 sq' for the square footage of the store.
Also there was a discussion as to if the sign was just the yellow area with the lettering or the entire
contiguous blue and yellow logo, in either case the square footage exceeded the maximum 8%
allowable for this building. There was more discussion about the sign and the size/ color etc.
Chairman Lepkowski said that he would leave the public hearing open.
A motion was made by Hal Henty, seconded by John Dougherty to adjourn this Public Hearing
until August 8, 2007.
Motion Passed 7-0
2007-5-2 ABC Estates, a New York Partnership (3) Site Plan - 7274 Henry Clay Blvd.
(Adjourned from previous meeting)
The applicant called and requested an adjournment.
A motion was made by Allen Kovac, seconded by James Sharpe to adjourn this Public Hearing
until August 8, 2007.
Motion Passed 7-0
2007-5-4 Aluzzo Ent., Inc. (NAPPA) (3) Site Plan, 3567 Route 31 (Adjourned From 1
previous meeting)
Hal Romans was present for the applicant.
The applicant is proposing a NAPPA store at 3567 at State Route 31 west of Route 57, in the
present Mieneke Muffler Center. The applicant has obtained the variances necessary for this
application.
Ms. Guinup asked why the dumpster was not shown behind the building as previously discussed.
Mr. Romans stated that would be corrected. There was also a discussion about the parking being
shown according to code. The signs need to be upgraded and the details of the lighting need to be
worked out.
Mr. Johnson asked about the material and color of the building. Mr. Romans stated that the
building would be earthtone gray with some blue. He stated that he would bring drawings next
time. He will meet with Ron DeTota to address the drainage issues. The signage and architectural
issues will also be addressed at the next meeting.
A motion was made by Hal Henty, seconded by Bruce Johnson to adjourn this Public Hearing until
August 8, 2007.
Motion Passed 7-0
Old Business: Hearings Closed
NONE
New Business: Signs
NONE
A motion was made by Allen Kovac, seconded by James Sharpe to adjourn until August 8, 2007.
Motion Passed 7-0
Meeting adjourned at 11:29 PM.
Respectfully Submitted,
Jill Hageman-Clark
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