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Town
of Clay
Approved
Planning Board Minutes
July 12, 2006
The regular meeting of the Planning Board of the Town of Clay, County of Onondaga was held at
the Town Hall located at 4401 Route 31, Clay, New York on the 12th day of July.
The meeting was called to order by Deputy Chairman Johnson at 7:30 PM and upon roll being
called, the following were:
PRESENT: Bruce Johnson Deputy Chairman
Karen Guinup Member
James Sharpe Member
Casey Jordan Member
Allen Kovac Member
John Dougherty Member
Scott Chatfield Planning Board Attorney
Ron DeTota C&S Engineers
Mary Moskowitz Planner
Jill
Hageman-Clark Planning Board Secretary
ABSENT: Walter Lepkowski Chairman
Approval of Minutes:
A Motion was made by Al Kovac and seconded by Casey Jordan to approve the minutes of the
June 28, 2006 Planning Board meeting.
Motion Passed 6-0.
Public Hearings:
06-5-2 COR Laser Drive Company, LLC (3) Preliminary Plat - on the south side of
VerPlank Road, north of COR Shopping Plaza.
The applicant has requested adjournment until the next Planning Board meeting.
A motion was made by Karen Guinup, seconded by Jim Sharpe to adjourn this Public Hearing
until August 9, 2006.
Motion passed 6-0.
OLD BUSINESS: Adjourned Hearings
06-2-5 Jon Burdick (3) Preliminary Plat, 8478 Oswego Road (2 lots) (Adjourned from 5
previous meetings.)
Brian Manthey of Manthey Architects, Ed Keplinger of Keplinger, Freeman and Associates, and
Jon Burdick, applicant were present to obtain preliminary plat approval.
The applicant has made changes to the proposal including the required changes to the drainage
easements. The new proposal would drain across the Moyers Corners Fire Deparment property.
The applicant stated that the Fire Department would agree to this.
Mr. Chatfield asked about the interconnectivity with the parcel to the south and a reciprocal
easement for a driveway connection with the parcel to the north. The applicant stated that he would indicate the easements on the map.
Deputy Chairman Johnson asked if there were anymore questions. Hearing none, he then asked
the applicant if they could return to the next meeting. Mr. Burdick stated that he would like to obtain Final Plat approval at the next meeting. The
Deputy Chairman stated that he did not know if that would be possible.
Mr. Detota stated that there would still be some issues regarding the public utilities.
Mr Burdick made it clear that he was unhappy that this process has taken so long.
Deputy Chairman Johnson stated that the Planning Board could not approve a Final Plat before
the public utilities have been built. Mr. Chatfield stated the applicant could post security, in lieu
of construction of public utilities, but the Town Board would still have to approve the extension
to Sewerage District before Final Plat approval.
A Motion was made by Karen Guinup, seconded by Casey Jordan to adjourn this Public Hearing
until the next Planning Board meeting on August 9, 2006.
Motion Passed 6-0.
06-4-1 Jon Burdick (3) Site Plan, 8481 Oswego Road (Adjourned from 4 previous meetings)
Brian Manthey of Manthey Architects, Ed Keplinger of Keplinger, Freeman and Associates, and
Jon Burdick, applicant were present.
The proposed site plan would enlarge the size of the original plan from a 400 square feet office
building to a 2100 square feet office build with an additional four bays for automobile detailing.
Mr. Detota stated that he had some concerns with the drainage in the proposed site with regards
to removing the 12" drain pipe and replacing it with an 18" pipe. Mr. Detota asked the applicant if they had contacted the County DOT. He also stated concerns
with the culvert and the steepness of the drainage pond. After a lengthy discussion, Deputy Chairman Johnson suggested a separate meeting between the
applicant and Mr. Detota, the Town Engineer take place.
Ms. Guinup asked about the material for the structure. Mr. Burdick stated that the proposed
building would be constructed of grey and black fiber cement siding.
Ms. Guinup also asked about landscaping. Mr. Burdick mentioned that there would be 20' of
grass around the building. Ms. Guinup stated that she would like to see more landscaping, Mr.
Kovac was in agreement.
Deputy Chairman Johnson asked about lighting. Ms. Guinup said that she would like to see a
photometric plan.
Mr. Dougherty asked about the signs on the building. Mr. Burdick indicated that he would be
putting signs on and above the door. Deputy Chairman Johnson stated that signs would be a separate application.
Mr. Jordan asked if there would be bays on both sides. Mr. Burdick stated that the bays would only be one side of the bay on the back of the building
interfere with the storm drainage. There would be windows however.
Mr. Chatfield stated that the drainage easement needs to be made clearer on the map.
Deputy Chairman Johnson asked if there were any questions from the public, hearing none he
asked for a motion to adjourn this matter.
A motion was made by Mr. Kovac, seconded by Mr. Jordan to adjourn this Public Hearing until
the next Planning Board meeting on August 9, 2006.
Motion passed 6-0.
6-4-9 Development Assistance Group, LLC Zone Change Recommendation, RA-100 to
PDD - 3715 (and vacant) Route 31, north side, just west of the railroad tracks
(Amedore Homes) (Adjourned from 2 previous meetings)
The applicant has requested an adjournment until the next Planning Board meeting.
A motion was made by Casey Jordan, seconded by Jim Sharpe to adjourn this Public Hearing
until the next Planning Board meeting on August 9, 2006.
Motion Passed 6-0.
06-4-10 AJM Management (3) Site Plan, south side of West Taft Road, 1000 feet west of
Buckley Road in the North Medical Center Campus (Kinney Drugs) (Adjourned from 2 previous meetings)
John Murphy of AJM Development, and Greg Sgromo of Dunn & Sgromo Engineers were
present.
Since the last meeting the applicant has received from ZBA a parking variance allowing 63
parking spaces instead of the 86 required. The ZBA determined that the applicant did not need a
side yard variance because RC-1 Zoning District requirements did not necessitate it. They have
completed the traffic study. They have a letter from the County DOT supporting the proposed
traffic light. The traffic study report did not include the left turn lane.
Ms. Guinup asked if the driveway / road (private/public) issues had been resolved.
The applicant stated that they will build the road to the Town’s specifications and have not
determined if it will become a Town road. The applicant has been in contact with the Town
Supervisor. Mr. Murphy stated that the front of the building would face West Taft Road.
There were discussions regarding lighting and landscaping. The applicant has outlined a plan for more landscaping than previously planned.
Deputy Chairman Johnson wanted to see more landscaping around the walkway.
Deputy Chairman Johnson asked about the size of the existing Kinney drugs.
Mr. Murphy stated that the current structure is 4000 square feet and the proposed building would
be 16,000 square feet. The applicant is scheduled to appear before the Town Board at their next meeting to apply for a
special permit for the drive-in service.
Deputy Chairman Johnson suggested that the applicant return on August 9, 2006. At that time
the applicant should make improvements to the landscaping plan, drainage plan, lighting,
subdivision and show the dumpster location.
Deputy Chairman Johnson suggested that the dumpsters be housed within the building.
Mr. Dougherty asked if the dumpster would be enclosed by a privacy fence. The applicant stated
that it would be an enclosed dumpster.
Deputy Chairman Johnson asked if there were any questions or concerns from the public, hearing
none he closed the Public Hearing.
A motion was made by Casey Jordan, seconded by Jim Sharpe to adjourn until this case to the
next Planning Board meeting on August 9, 2006.
Motion passed 6-0.
06-4-11 Tri-R Realty & Development Co. (3), Site Plan, 7608 Oswego Road, in front of
Bayberry Plaza (Adjourned from 1 previous meeting).
Joe Janowski, applicant, was present.
The applicant had appeared in front of the ZBA with three variations of the site plan showing the
proposed Kinney Drug Store in different locations of the parking lot. Plan A (the original submittal) shows the building in the North corner of the property.
Plan B shows the setback as 168 feet instead of 161 feet with the current entrance.
Plan C shows the structure further south, moving the entrance further from to the light and the
intersection.
The ZBA did not grant a variance. They have indicated that they are seeking input from the
Planning Board on their preferred location of the store and will base the variances accordingly.
The applicant stated the parking requirements have been met without including parking in the
rear. Also the applicant stated that the trailers in the rear would be gone with the proposed addition to
the Metro Mattress store.
Ms. Guinup asked if the parking spaces included the gated reserved spaces for the postal trucks.
Mr. Janowski stated that they had been included in that total.
Deputy Chairman Johnson suggested that he would like to see a plan for the whole plaza
including using Egret Path sidewalks to Blackberry Road and along Blackberry to the east.
Mr. Chatfield suggested using Plan C with the possibility of moving the entrance further south
from the light instead of closer. Both Mr. Kovac and Deputy Chairman Johnson asked if DOT
had seen the plan for the entrance in plan C.
There was a discussion as to making an access road through the plaza that would connect Route
57 and Bayberry Circle. Joyce Cerrito of Bayberry was opposed to this plan stating that the through traffic is already to
heavy.
The applicant with appear again before the ZBA on August 14, 2006.
The board was in agreement that the building should be furthest south as in plan C however the
entrance should also be moved south. In addition, the Planning Board would like to see a detailed plan for the proposed addition to the
Metro Mattress store.
A motion was made by Jim Sharpe, seconded by Karen Guinup to adjourn until this Public
Hearing until the Planning Board meeting on September 13, 2006.
Motion Passed 6-0.
06-4-12 Syracuse Clay Associates , LLC Zone Change Recommendation, R-100 to PPD -
northeast corner of Route 31 and Oswego Road (Adjourned from 2 previous meetings)
(Wal-Mart)
The applicant has requested adjournment until the next Planning Board meeting.
A motion was made by Al Kovac, seconded by Casey Jordan, to adjourn this Public Hearing until
August 9, 2006.
Motion Passed 6-0.
06-4-13 Al Caza Contractors (3) Preliminary Plat, Burnet Road, 500 feet north of Route 31
(7 lots) (Adjourned from 1 previous meeting)
Michael Caza from Caza Contractors was present.
The applicant is seeking a 8 lot subdivision. The property is zoned R-15. The applicant is
seeking approval for 30,000 square foot lots with septic systems. A perk test on 7 of the 8 lots
was done.
Mr. Detota stated that the existing water main and fire hydrants are not shown on the map.
Mr. Caza stated that the lots could be made deeper if necessary. Also as an option the middle lot
could be separated to make each lot larger.
Mr. Detota stated that remaining lot (8) needs to be identified on the map.
The rear yards in lots 2-3-4-5-6 all need 20 foot easements for drainage to continue across. Mr.
Detota also stated that Mr. Caza needs to state the zoning of the three adjoining properties on the
map.
Mr. Chatfield pointed out that the sewage proposal plan was only shown for lot 7 and that all of
the lots would require a raised bed.
Mr. Chatfield also noted that a perk test had not been performed on lot 8 and that it needs to be
noted that lot 8 is ‘Not an approved building lot’.
Deputy Chairman Johnson suggested that the applicant meet with Ms. Moskowitz and / or Mr.
Tessier. He also recommended that they contact Jim Woods regarding the building permit and
the setbacks in lot 7.
A motion was made by Al Kovac, seconded by Jim Sharpe to adjourn until this Public Hearing
until the next Planning Board meeting on August 9, 2006.
Motion Passed 6-0.
06-5-1 COR Laser Drive Company, LLC, Zone Change Recommendation, RC-1 and RA-100 to R-Apt. - north of Route 31, west of Dell Center Drive and Laser Drive (Adjourned
from 2 previous meetings)
The applicant has requested adjournment until the next Planning Board meeting.
A Motion was made by Casey Jordan, seconded by Karen Guinup to adjourn this Public Hearing
until the next Planning Board meeting on August 9, 2006.
Motion Passed 6-0.
06-5-5 Napolitano Route 31 Company, LLC, Zone Change Recommendation, R-Apt and
RA-100 to RC-1, on the south side of Route 31, across from the COR Center
(Lowes) (Adjourned from 2 previous meetings).
The applicant has requested adjournment until the next Planning Board meeting.
A Motion was made by Casey Jordan, seconded by Karen Guinup to adjourn this Public Hearing
until the next Planning Board meeting on August 9, 2006.
Motion Passed 6-0.
Old Business: Hearings Closed
06-5-7 Johnson Liverpool, L.P. (3) Site Plan, 4806 West Taft Road (Tactair) (Adjourned
from 1 previous meeting)
Jerry Dwyer of Johnson Liverpool, .LP., Brian Bullard and Dave Rebhahn of Schropfer
Architects were present.
Since the meeting the applicant has addressed some of the concerns that were brought up, such as
the ingress and egress doors and adding a sidewalk to the parking lot.
Mr. Detota wants spot elevations provide along the hedgerow to the southwest.
Mr. Michelson of the Moyers Corners Fire Department stated that the MCFD was satisfied with
the plan.
Deputy Chairman Johnson suggested to approve with conditions being met.
A motion was made by Allen Kovac, seconded by Casey Jordan to adopt a resolution using standard
form #10 that the Site Plan proposed by Johnson Liverpool, L.P at 4806 West Taft Road be declared
a negative declaration as there appears to be no environmental impact which could not be mitigated
and does not involve any other agencies including the Federal Government.
Motion Passed 6-0.
A motion was made Allen Kovac, seconded by Casey Jordan to adopt a resolution using standard
form #20 granting Site Plan approval to Johnson Liverpool, L.P based on a map by Schropfer
Architects having a file number PL1.1 & FP1.1 last revised 7/11/06 subject to the following
conditions:
1. Spot elevations indicated along the hedgerow in the southwest property line.
2. Subject to Legal and Engineering approvals.
Motion Passed 6-0.
New Business:
06-5-3 Syracuse SMSA Limited Partnership d/b/a Verizon Wireless, between Gaskin Road
and Oswego Road, approximately 800' south of Linda Lane - Public Utility Special Permit,
Recommendation to Town Board.
Daniel Silver, Attorney with Verizon Wireless and Ed Frawley, Engineer were present for the
applicant.
The applicant is requesting a Special Permit from the Town Board and a recommendation from the
Planning Board to build a cell phone tower north of Moyers Corners. The proposed tower would
be constructed on a 360 foot parcel surrounded by a fence. It would be a monopole structure. Mr.
Frawley stated that the reason for this request is a lack of coverage in this area and surrounding
towers do not provide adequate signal coverage.
The cell phone tower would be serviced once a month and be accessible only by a private service
road.
Several members of the board asked if the tower could be shorter than the proposed height.
Russ Mitchell, a property owner, stated that this tower would not be a problem for neighbors.
Deputy Chairman Johnson stated that he would like to see a balloon test. Ms. Guinup, Mr. Jordan
and Mr. Kovac all agreed that this would be a good idea.
It was agreed upon that a balloon test using a 3' balloon would be performed on or about August 2,
2006. The applicant was told to work this out with Planning and Development. In addition the
Deputy Chairman stated that it should be noted on the Town’s website so that neighbors would be
aware of the test and could give their input.
A motion was made by Karen Guinup, seconded by Casey Jordan to adjourn this matter until the
next Planning Board meeting on August 9, 2006.
Motion Passed 6-0
06-5-9 Syracuse SMSA Limited Partnership d/b/a Verizon Wireless, 8313 Henry Clay Blvd. - Public Utility Special Permit, Recommendation to Town Board
Daniel Silver, Attorney with Verizon Wireless and Ed Frawley, Engineer were present for the
applicant.
The applicant is requesting a Special Permit from the Town Board and a recommendation for the
Planning Board to build a cell phone tower on property on Henry Clay Boulevard The proposed
tower would be a three sided self supporting structure.
Deputy Chairman Johnson asked about the possibility of the structure falling down.
Mr. Frawley stated that this structure is constructed in a way that it would collapse within itself.
Deputy Chairman Johnson stated that he would like to see a propagation study of the Town owned
land behind the current Highway Department.
The applicant stated that they will preform that study.
Deputy Chairman Johnson asked if Verizon would remove this tower if it was not in use. Both the
applicant and the property owner stated that the applicant would remove it.
Janet Rathburn stated that this is a great spot for this tower.
Deputy Chairman Johnson stated that he would like to visit the site prior to approval.
A motion was made by Casey Jordan, seconded by John Dougherty to adjourn this matter until the
next Planning Board meeting on August 9, 2006.
Motion Passed 6-0
New Business: Signs:
Georgian Court Enterprises, LLC, Permit # 38,341
Mary Moskowitz presented for the applicant a request for a sign on Grampian Road.
The proposed sign would be 6' tall.
Mr. Kovac asked if the color of the sign would be close to the color of the buildings.
Mary Moskowitz stated that the color of the sign was to be red or grey, the same as the color of the
building brick .
A motion was made by Casey Jordan, seconded by John Dougherty to approve the sign as presented
with the Department of Planning and Development staff choosing a brick color of red or grey to
match the color of the building for Georgian Court Enterprises, LLC..
Motion Passed 6-0
Adjourn Meeting
A motion was made by John Dougherty, seconded by Jim Sharpe to adjourn this Meeting of the
Planning Board until August 9, 2006.
Motion Passed 6-0.
Meeting Adjourned at 11:27 pm.
Respectfully Submitted,
Jill Hageman-Clark
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