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Town
of Clay
Approved
Planning Board Minutes
November 10, 2004
The regular meeting of the Planning Board of the Town of Clay, County of Onondaga was held at the Town Hall, located at 4401 Route 31, Clay, New York on the 10th of November, 2004.
The meeting was called to order by Chairman Kovac at 7:30 PM and upon the roll being called, the following were:
PRESENT: Allen Kovac
Chairman
Walter Lepkowski Deputy Chairman
James Keefe Member
Karen Guinup Member
Ferdinand Lepinske Member
James Sharpe Member
Bruce Johnson Member
Scott Chatfield Planning Board Attorney
Ron DeTota C & S Engineers
David Tessier Commissioner of Planning & Development
Susan Beckhusen Planning Board Secretary
Approval of Minutes:
Motion was made by Karen Guinup, seconded by James Sharpe to approve the minutes of October 27, 2004 as presented.
Public Hearings:
04-9-7 Joyce Revelle for Honda City (3) Site Plan - 7140 Henry Clay Boulevard, at the Salina Town line
Dirk Oudemool, attorney, Jackie Goodwin, Holmes, King, Kallquist & Associates Architects and George Townsend, Owner-President Honda City were present.
The applicant is seeking to upgrade the facility in a more consumer friendly way. The changes are all part of a national corporate image that Honda City is projecting for all of its dealerships.
The applicant is proposing a 2500 square foot addition. The front of the building will be redesigned. Currently, there are 2 service bay areas which will be redesigned into a drop off area for consumers to leave their vehicles, where a valet attendant will take their car back to the service department for them. This area will be enclosed so that consumers are not subject to weather conditions.
The applicant appeared before the ZBA and was granted a variance for the new car delivery area and setback requirements for the front entrance redesign.
There will be no affect to the grading in the area.
The will be no additional lighting. The question was raised as to whether the current lighting should be added to the site plan and it was determined that it did not need to be added.
A letter from Ron DeTota was reviewed with the applicant. The applicant will comply with all requirements.
Parking spaces will increase by 2. Karen Guinup noted that the site plan should include the change in the parking area and the addition of the 2 spaces. She also stated that the dumpster enclosure should be noted on the site plan as well. Currently there is no enclosure around the dumpster and it must be enclosed and the enclosure needs to be constructed of the same material as the building, which will conform to the Town of Clay standards.
The Onondaga County Planning Board recommended disapproval, however, the ZBA did grant the variances which allowed for the setback requirements to be reduced, thereby addressing OCPB concerns. Chairman Kovac advised the applicant that a majority plus 1 vote must be obtained in order to override OCPB disapproval.
There will be no change in the current landscaping.
Chairman Kovac asked if there were any further questions or concerns, hearing none, he closed the public hearing. Since this is a Type 2 action, no SEQR vote is required.
Motion made by James Keefe, seconded by Karen Guinup to adopt a resolution using standard form #20 granting Site Plan approval to Joyce Revelle for Honda City based on a map by Holmes, King, Kallquist & Associate Architects, LLP dated 11/10/04, job #0361 subject to the following conditions:
1. Subject to Planning Board Attorney and Engineers approval including satisfactory completion of all items noted in C & S Engineers letter dated 11/4/04.
2. Addition of enclosed dumpster area with appropriate compatibility to building materials.
3. Notation on the Site Plan that there are no changes to be made to the existing lighting on the parcel.
4. All parking spaces, traffic pattern, etc. must be shown on Site Plan.
5. All variances must be noted on Site Plan.
Motion passed 7:0
04-9-8 Kirk Nielsen and Tammy Nielsen (3) Preliminary Plat - east side of Black Creek Road, just north of Riverview Road (2 lots)
Kirk Nielsen was present.
The applicant is seeking to subdivide an 8 ½ acre parcel into one 2 ½ acre lot and one 6 acre lot.
Currently, the applicants have a home located on what will be known as Lot B and there is a barn and shed located on what will become Lot A. There is an existing driveway.
Letter from OCPB dated 10/26/04 only required that anything built on the 6 acre lot would have to have approval of a septic system which would have to be given by the Onondaga County Health Department.
Letter from Ron DeTota dated 11/3/04 was reviewed. All items, except #1, have been satisfied. The applicant can satisfy this and has no issues. He will discuss this with his engineer and have the necessary changes made on the new preliminary plat.
Chairman Kovac asked if there were any further questions or concerns, hearing none, he closed the public hearing and asked for SEQR determination.
Motion made by Walter Lepkowski, seconded by James Keefe to adopt a resolution using standard form #10 that the Preliminary Plat proposed by Kirk and Tammy Nielsen be declared an unlisted action which will not have any adverse environmental impact and does not involve any other agencies including the Federal Government.
Motion passed 7:0
The Planning Board will move directly to Final Plat approval on this case.
Motion made by Walter Lepkowski, seconded by Karen Guinup to adopt a resolution using standard form #40 granting Final Plat approval to Kirk and Tammy Nielsen based on a map by Lehr Land Surveyors dated 9/10/04; latest revision 11/10/04, #4-14-40 subject to the following conditions:
1. Revising map to comply with C & S Engineers letter dated 11/3/04.
2. Subject to Planning Board Attorney and Engineer approvals.
Motion passed 7:0
04-9-9 Paul Meyer/Charter One Bank (3) Site Plan - 3808 Brewerton Road (Route 11) (formerly Thrifty Car Sales, Dewitt Bagelry)
Terry Roswick, Associate for Greenberg Farrow Architecture Engineering Development, presented for the applicant.
The applicant is seeking to operate a bank in the existing structure. The footprint will remain the same, however, the exterior facing will change. The applicant would like to add a drive up canopy to the building. There will be no changes to the landscaping or parking. The parking lot will be re-striped.
Current zoning is C-5.
Walter Lepkowski asked if there would be changes to the lighting. Mr. Roswick indicated that there would be. Mr. Lepkowski asked that the applicant provide photometric data to comply with banking regulations in order to assess the foot candles for the parcel lighting.
Mr. Roswick indicated that there would be no dumpster located on site.
Of note, the canopy over the drive-thru area shows "hello" printed on it. Walter Lepkowski asked if this was considered signage and if so, is it within the ordinance requirements. Commissioner Tessier indicated that it would be considered signage but is within the 10% allowable.
There will also be "identifiable panels" which will also be part of signage and are included in the 10% allowed as well. These panels will be changed periodically depending on what promotions, etc. are going on at the financial institution. These are removable panels and are interchangeable.
Commissioner Tessier advised the applicant that since the canopy is an addition, it will require a variance since it does not meet the side setbacks. The applicant will need to apply to the ZBA for a variance.
Chairman Kovac asked if there were any further questions or concerns, hearing none, he asked for SEQR determination.
Motion made by Karen Guinup, seconded by James Keefe to adopt a resolution using standard form #10 that the Site Plan proposed by Paul Meyer, formerly Charter One Bank, now Citizen's Bank, be declared an unlisted action which will not have any adverse environmental impact and does not involve any other agencies including the Federal Government.
Motion passed 7:0
Motion made by Ferdinand Lepinske, seconded by James Sharpe to adjourn this public hearing to the January 12, 2005 Planning Board meeting as the applicant will need to apply for a variance from the ZBA.
Motion passed 7:0
04-10-4 Town of Clay and Thomas Runge (3) Preliminary Plat - 9608 Black Creek Road, north side (2 lots)
Commissioner Tessier indicated that there was a sketch plan which could be presented, however, it is not approvalable.
Commissioner Tessier suggested adjourning this public hearing to the December 8, 2004 Planning Board meeting.
Motion made by Walter Lepkowski, seconded by Karen Guinup to adjourn this public hearing to the December 8, 2004 Planning Board meeting at the request of the applicant.
Motion passed 7:0
Old Business: Adjourned Hearings
03-8-3 Louis Bottino (3) Site Plan, on the north side of Wetzel Road, just east of the west railroad tracks (Adjourned from October 13, 2004 meeting)
Applicant has requested adjournment to the December 8, 2004 Planning Board meeting.
Motion made by James Sharpe, seconded by Ferdinand Lepinske to adjourn this public hearing to the Planning Board meeting of December 8, 2004.
Motion passed 7:0
Old Business: Hearings Closed
None
New Business:
04-9-4 Thomas Organization, Inc. - Lots A & B, Part of Block No. 4 Amended, Vicksburg, Section No. 3 Final Plat
Hal Romans, surveyor, was present for the applicant.
Per Ron DeTota all engineering requirements have been satisfied.
Motion made by James Sharpe, seconded by Bruce Johnson to adopt a resolution using standard form #40 granting Final Plat approval to Thomas Organization, Inc. - Lots A & B, Part of Block #4 Amended, Vicksburg Section #3 based on a map by Ianuzi & Romans, P.C. dated 4/30/04; no revisions file #316.006 subject to the following conditions:
1. Subject to Planning Board Attorney and Engineers approval.
Motion passed 7:0
Motion made by Karen Guinup, seconded by Walter Lepkowski to add Lawton Valley Hunt Section 11 Final Plat to the Planning Board agenda.
Motion passed 7:0
04-10-8 Lawton Valley Hunt Section 11 Final Plat
Hal Romans, surveyor, was present for the applicant.
Letter from Ron DeTota dated 11/10/04 was reviewed.
Motion made by James Keefe, seconded by James Sharpe to adopt a resolution using standard form #40 granting Final Plat approval to Lawton Valley Hunt Section 11 based on a map by Ianuzi & Romans, P.C. dated 6/4/04; no revisions file #17741004 subject to the following conditions:
1. Subject to Planning Board Attorney and Engineer approval.
Motion passed 7:0
Signs:
Sports Authority Permit #
Commissioner Tessier presented.
This sign was previously presented to the Planning Board and denied. The applicant went before the ZBA for interpretation of zoning ordinance regarding signage and the ZBA interpretation differed from the Planning Board interpretation. The ZBA granted approval of the sign as previously presented.
Walter Lepkowski indicated that at the time of denial a rational decision was given to the applicant as to why the sign was denied. He interprets the ordinance to be that signage is subject to Planning Board approval.
Scott Chatfield indicated that the Planning Board could not disapprove something without a rational decision, however, there are fundamental rules that apply. A lengthy discussion took place regarding this.
The sign presented is 7' x 21' and is acceptable.
Of note, the signage presented does not include all the signs currently located on the building, therefore, no decision can be made at this time until all dimensions are given for all signs to be certain that all criteria is met.
Stop Signs:
The following recommendations for stops signs was presented to the Planning Board.
Pine Gate Acres, Section 11A-Blue Beech onto Pine Gate Parkway, 1 stop sign.
Pine Gate Acres, Section 12- Big Cone Path, both ends, onto Pinegate Parkway, total of 2 stop signs.
Pine Gate Acres, Section 13-Long Leaf Trail opposite Moss Oak Trail, both onto Pine Gate Parkway, total of 4 stop signs.
Mistral Knoll-Mistral Circle onto Elmcrest Road, 1 stop sign.
Hafner's Landing- Hafner's Landing Street onto Dolshire Drive, 1 stop sign.
Streamwood Townhouses, Section A-At split in Streamwood Drive, one sign at each end of the north section as it meets the south section, for a total of 2 stop signs.
Quarry Pointe- Quarry Pointe Circle onto Henry Clay Boulevard, 1 stop sign.
All stop signs were unanimously approved as presented for recommendation to the Town Board.
Adjournment
Motion was made by Ferdinand Lepinske, seconded by James Sharpe to adjourn the meeting.
Motion passed 7:0
Meeting adjourned at 10:00 p.m.
Respectfully submitted,
Susan I. Beckhusen
Planning Board Secretary
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